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  • Matt Nicholson's Avatar
    7th December 2019, 19:07
    Matt Nicholson replied to a thread Wake in Men's Basketball
    I turned the game on late, we were up 17. We proceeded to display the single worst end of game management I've ever seen. Part of the problem was officiating. They let the game get away from them. And the result was a bad injury to Hellems. Dodged a bullet. But I have had my "ACC refs are criminally bad" theory supported today. Hellems injury is on them. That game never should have gotten that out of control.
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  • LSmith's Avatar
    7th December 2019, 16:18
    LSmith replied to a thread Wake in Men's Basketball
    Pack pulls away for a 91-82 ACC road win on what was essentially a neutral court. Really sad to see what is going on at Wake. Never seen that colosseum that empty with more Pack fans than Wake fans. The refs let Wake play tackle football down the stretch to keep the score closer than it should have been and hence the Hellems injury. Really hope he is all right. Nice ACC road win with 6 players scoring double digits.
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  • LSmith's Avatar
    7th December 2019, 11:55
    LSmith started a thread Wake in Men's Basketball
    Must win. I am here at Elizabeth's pizza across from the colosseum consuming some beer and wings with some Wake fans before I go in.
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  • Mad Gene Vane's Avatar
    6th December 2019, 07:14
    ACC never lost the challenge, until conference expansion. I really hate that T.V. contracts have dictated conference membership. It has diluted the quality of ACC basketball, and done nothing to improve football.
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  • Mad Gene Vane's Avatar
    6th December 2019, 07:12
    Mad Gene Vane replied to a thread Wisconsin in Men's Basketball
    Good win, because I think it would be a bad loss otherwise. I don't think Wisconsin is going to be very good this year. They are not doing what they traditionally did well, which was taking care of the ball, working the shot-clock to get good shots, and playing stingy half-court defense. Now hoping for the best of luck on the planet, like Wiscy missing free-throws, against Wake Forest on Saturday.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    5th December 2019, 19:54
    The #13 Wolfpack hosted #9 Maryland in the ACC -- Big-10 Challenge, and the ladies defeated Maryland 66-59! This extends the Pack's record to 9-0, and will likely increase the Pack's national ranking. https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/game?gameId=401171162 Ken
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  • LSmith's Avatar
    5th December 2019, 14:38
    Ken, Last night was the 2nd night of the challenge. The conferences split the 1rst night 3-3 so the ACC lost this year 7-5. The ACC holds a 15-6 advantage over the 21 years of the challenge.
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    5th December 2019, 11:23
    Derreck replied to a thread Wisconsin in Men's Basketball
    Good, solid win. Need to put 40 min together and nice to see JH's coming out party.
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  • Matt Nicholson's Avatar
    5th December 2019, 07:24
    Matt Nicholson replied to a thread Wisconsin in Men's Basketball
    I'm positive we have to play all 40 minutes like we did in the 2nd half if we want to make the NCAA. 2nd half was good ball. 1st half was plain awful. Hellams had a fantastic game.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    5th December 2019, 06:12
    This year's ACC-Big 10 Challenge has kicked off and the initial wave went very poorly for the ACC. The results of day one were: NC State 69 Wisconsin 54 Maryland 72 Notre Dame 51 Purdue 69 Virginia 40 Ohio State 74 UNC 49 (OK, that's not such bad news!)
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    5th December 2019, 05:43
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread Wisconsin in Men's Basketball
    Somewhere Matt, there's an optimistic cell in your fiber. I know you can find it; I just know you can! Ken
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  • Matt Nicholson's Avatar
    4th December 2019, 22:20
    Matt Nicholson replied to a thread Wisconsin in Men's Basketball
    We did play much better 2nd half. Fairly comfortable win. I stand by my prior analysis. 20 good minutes isn't going to get the job done. And Wisconsin isnt good at all this year. This is not going to be held up as a "good win" on Selection Sunday.
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  • Matt Nicholson's Avatar
    4th December 2019, 21:08
    Matt Nicholson replied to a thread Wisconsin in Men's Basketball
    We lead at halftime only because a half court prayer from Markell goes in. We are not good. No. We aren't. We look disorganized and undisciplined. We look like 5 guys playing pickup street ball. Maybe we'll get our head out of our ass and blister them 2nd half. We're still in huge trouble come January. 20 minutes of solid ball isn't going to beat UNC, Duke, UVA, or even Clemson.
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  • Matt Nicholson's Avatar
    4th December 2019, 18:50
    Matt Nicholson replied to a thread Wisconsin in Men's Basketball
    Wisconsin has lost to St Mary's, Richmond, and someone else they have no business losing to. We. HAVE. To. Win. This. Game. Period.
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    4th December 2019, 12:09
    Derreck replied to a thread Coaching Staff in Football
    Gibson will be the DC and coach LB's.
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    4th December 2019, 11:18
    Derreck started a thread Wisconsin in Men's Basketball
    Pack plays host to Wisconsin tonight in the ACC/Big Ten Challenge. Game tips at 9:15 pm on ESPN2
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    3rd December 2019, 13:04
    Derreck replied to a thread Coaching Staff in Football
    Update on the DC. Gibson is under consideration but DD is also looking at other candidates. Jeff Knowles is a name to look for. He is currently the DC at Temple.
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    3rd December 2019, 12:41
    Derreck replied to a thread The future in Football
    The only issue I took with your post was recruiting, which is what I specifically responded too. There is a perception that recruiting has "fallen off" this year. It has not. NC State is ranked #44 in the Nation this year (per 247), last years class that everyone thought was so great was ranked #31 (per 247). And there are still some recruits we are going to likely land before the 18th that will bump us up some. If there is one thing this staff should not be questioned on is recruiting. Not with the number of NFL players that have been produced. This staff can eye talent and recruit it to fill needs. And most of those NFL guys were under the radar guys. The 2014 recruiting for State was ranked #7 in the ACC and #34 Nationally, it produced: Kentavious Street Germaine Pratt
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    3rd December 2019, 06:15
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread Coaching Staff in Football
    The manner by which Ole Miss lost to Miss State in the Egg Bowl was about as clear a sign of coaching staff dysfunction as there is. For those who may not know the situation, Ole Miss scored a would be tying touchdown late in the game, but the player who scored crawled on his fours and lifted his leg like a dog pissing on a tree! He was very rightly flagged and the extra point was moved back 15 yards and missed! Hence, the final 21-20 score! If that sort of extremely poor behavior is indicative of those players threatening to revolt, then the AD should simply tell the young men they are free to leave and go wherever they desire. And while we're on the subject, let's just utter it plain. There is an increasing lack of inhibition among young people today that seems to imbue many of them with an overdose of self-confidence, that they know better than everyone else and should dictate the terms of their environment. To paraphrase Mike Ditka, "Players play, coaches coach, and AD's AD!" There are a great number of young people in American society today who need a sharp lesson delivered that they don't run society, but are merely a part of it! Ken
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  • LSmith's Avatar
    2nd December 2019, 19:31
    LSmith replied to a thread Coaching Staff in Football
    I agree but not nearly as ugly as this: https://www.foxnews.com/sports/ole-miss-players-walk-out-matt-luke-firing-report And speaking of recently fired coaches I say lets throw some bucks at Chad Morris for OC. He did a heck of a job as OC at Clemson. Obviously not nearly as prolific as a head coach though.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    2nd December 2019, 18:54
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread Coaching Staff in Football
    That doesn't surprise me. In fact, I'd be disappointed if that were not happening. But, Huxtable would be one big change that I think is necessary. Other changes I don't get to see to know the details, but in the aggregate, we have to improve staff effectiveness in selling recruits on NC State. We've got way too much meat on the reality bone to come in second to any other program inside North Carolina. If a player wants to be be made NFL ready, there isn't a university in North Carolina with better pedigree than NC State, and it's not even a close contest. Ken
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    2nd December 2019, 18:46
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread The future in Football
    What I wrote leading off this thread was analytical, not emotional. Serious things were broke this season and need serious fixing, and while I agree with the comments Doeren made in the locker room to the team, most importantly of all I think it clearly shows that he knows these things were seriously broken. Doeren's senior class achieved some great results, but they are leaving on a sour note, and they know this also. The rising upperclassmen have a leadership challenge and opportunity laid before them. Hand-in-hand with the coaching staff for next season, they have to motivate everyone to prepare more effectively than was done in the 2019 preseason. As Doeren well said, "get back to being tough!" UNC's hype is their hype, just as worthless as their lies in trying to escape accountability for sacrificing their academic reputation as a university, simply to keep a handful of athletes eligible through a system designed by legal scholars to pass NCAA muster, regardless of moral decay. As I wrote, we at NC State focus on reality. UNC can keep focusing on hype and subterfuge. All that just gives us the avenue to fix what is broken with our program and move on to renewing our recent dominance over them on the gridiron. But, that avenue will remain an untrodden path until we honestly address what is broke and fix it! My confidence with Doeren is that he's an honest broker and he knows what is broken. The only question is can he assemble the optimal coaching staff next season to motivate the players to fix the problems? In that question, I remain optimistic. Frankly, I think if he could read my comments, he might raise his eyebrows and acknowledge the truth of it, and accept the challenge for what it truly is. Ken
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    2nd December 2019, 17:54
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread Players in Football
    There hasn't been an athlete in the history of sports who buys in to negative feedback over his performance. I wish Matt McKay all the best, but if he thinks there is a Division ! program out there who would start him as QB in a pro set offense, then he's sadly mistaken. He had most of the quality reps throughout spring training and yet, during every game he started, he couldn't hit a receiver on a deep route in stride to save his life. Ken
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    2nd December 2019, 13:31
    Derreck replied to a thread Coaching Staff in Football
    And a bunch of former Pack players are coming to Hux's defense. Not pretty, or a good look for us.
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    2nd December 2019, 11:00
    Derreck replied to a thread Coaching Staff in Football
    Hux is gone and as Stephen said, there is a great chance that Gibson moves into the DC roll. Not sure about offense yet. I believe that DD is still evaluating that situation and a decision will come midweek or end of the week. We also need to remember that position coaches are primarily responsible for player development. So the new DC likely will have a say who stays and goes on the defensive side of the ball.
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  • Matt Nicholson's Avatar
    2nd December 2019, 09:38
    Matt Nicholson replied to a thread Coaching Staff in Football
    247 reports Huxtable has been fired.
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  • Stephen Sparks's Avatar
    2nd December 2019, 09:23
    Stephen Sparks replied to a thread Coaching Staff in Football
    Iíve heard that Gibson could take the reigns. Offensive Staff changes are quite. Eerily quiet.
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    2nd December 2019, 07:51
    Derreck replied to a thread Coaching Staff in Football
    I am hearing that Hux will "retire." So does DD bring in a new DC or make Gibson the DC?
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    2nd December 2019, 07:21
    Derreck replied to a thread Coaching Staff in Football
    If it were me, here is what I would do. Relieve Hux and Gibson of their duties. Bring in Charlie Strong or Steve Addazio since they are both out of a job as of this weekend. We also need to look for a new secondary coach. Get rid of Henry and/or Barlow as well. Our secondary has always been poor under these guys. Offensively, McDonald should be replaced. I am not sure what to do with Dez. Our running game overall has been positive I believe, which is his focus. So do you promote Roper to Co-OC or just take the lump of losing both Dez and McDonald and start over offensively.
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    2nd December 2019, 07:14
    Derreck started a thread Players in Football
    Look for the Pack to be active in the transfer portal. Both players coming in and leaving. I think first and foremost is to bring in a grad transfer QB... FYI, Matt McKay is leaving. That is why you saw Hockman after Leary was hurt vs. Matt.
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    2nd December 2019, 06:49
    Derreck started a thread Coaching Staff in Football
    I am being told (and have been told for a few weeks now) that there will be some staff changes coming. I have no idea who at this point. Just that there will be changes. As I hear more, I will let you know.
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    2nd December 2019, 06:47
    Derreck replied to a thread The future in Football
    OK, where to start... #1 this was always a filler recruiting class. I have said that a ton, I said that from the day that Mack was hired and to be cautious of the hype train that was coming. #2 Our record against WF, ECU, Duke and UNC? We have won 2 straight against ECU. Haven't played Duke in like 7 years, until Saturday had won 3 straight over the Heels and won 9 of 12, still have won 9 of 13 and 4 of 6. WF is the only program in state that has had DD's number. And frankly that go back a lot longer than DD. And DD is like 3-4 vs. WF so its not like WF is dominating the series. #3 Recruiting. I got news for you UNC almost always has a strong "paper" class. Always. In 2019 UNC was 6th in the ACC, the Pack 6th, In 2018 UNC was 4th and State 6th, 2017 UNC 5th and State 10th, 2016 UNC was 5th and State was 9th, in 2015 UNC was 4th, State was 6th. I went all the way back to 2010, Not one of the Pack's recruiting was higher than UNC's (Per 247 sports). Yet it has not mattered on the field for the most part. Why? You can buy recruiting rankings for your players to drive hype. UNC does this a lot. Just pay attention every kid that commits to UNC almost always gets a bump in rankings. #4 The Mack Brown hype train. I have been warning everyone about this, yet I see State fans falling for this hook, line, and sinker. UNC is going to drive they hype train. And they have built in help from the local media. Mack is a great salesman (dont forget I was recruited by Mack so I know first hand). Dave will have to adjust to Mack. And frankly, Mack will win more than his fair share of players in NC. Just a fact. DD will have to get creative and also look outside the state of NC.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    1st December 2019, 19:34
    The #12 ranked Wolfpack defeated North Texas to win the championship of the Rainbow Wahine Showdown, played in Honolulu. https://gopack.com/news/2019/12/1/womens-basketball-12-wolfpack-defeats-mean-green-to-claim-rainbow-wahine-showdown-title.aspx The team has ripped off eight straight victories to open up the 2019-20 season! Ken
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    1st December 2019, 07:53
    Ken Stallings started a thread The future in Football
    Dave Doeren will return next season. There is zero question about that. But, he's gone from being the trendy darling in coaching recruiting circles to now standing at a crossroads in his career. The principle argument against an honest assessment of the situation is that rival programs will use and abuse the unrest to their advantage. Lies in recruiting happen every year and facts not in evidence are just made up. Young people who listen to lies will taste a bitter brew. There's nothing more that needs to be said about that. For those of us who choose to live in the world of reality with an independent mind, there are many realities that we need to soberly address. The first reality is that recruiting is the life blood of college sports. There is no draft that gives struggling teams some chance to recover. In college sports, there are no safety nets. A program can fall quick and descend very deep. In one season, the situation for NC State football has reversed. Mack Brown has entirely changed the recruiting picture. The gate that Dave Doeren built over five years has been torn down in a few months. Mack Brown has recruited the nation's 17th best class for next season, third best in the ACC, and hauled in nearly all of the top recruits from the state of North Carolina. Dave Doeren has achieved far less, the nation's 45th best class, and a middling eighth ranking within the ACC. Worse, those results were amassed long before the ultimate humiliation of Saturday night's nationally televised destruction, with a 28-point third quarter debacle, enroute to a 41-10 drubbing at Carter-Finley stadium. This was a rivalry result as bad as any in the over 100 year history of the series. The brutal truth is that a 68 year old coach, who was fired at Texas, and was an ESPN commentator, has been hired back for his second stint at UNC and before his first season was even begun, completely changed the trends in Chapel Hill's favor. Sugar coating that reality is simply pandering to lies, and nothing is achieved by such an ostrich approach. That reversal wasn't achieved through lies in recruiting circles, but instead through outworking the NC State coaching staff. Back-to-back nine win seasons, five straight bowl games, a record five QB's on NFL active rosters, and a very impressive list of other NFL players, should have been more than a sufficient foundation to avoid such an immediate reversal of recruiting trends. Add in the huge international black eye of cheating and naked evisceration of academic standards, and UNC had a lot to overcome. A geriatric coach, taken off the ESPN roster, should not have been able to achieve such a complete reversal of fortune so quickly, regardless of him winning a single national title at Texas, and then falling spectacularly and getting fired by one of the nation's most impatient alumni bases.
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  • Matt Nicholson's Avatar
    1st December 2019, 06:53
    Matt Nicholson replied to a thread UNC in Football
    Absolutely as bad or worse than any Tom Reed team. I'm dead serious: Dave needs to make major and significant staff changes, or be fired.
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  • LSmith's Avatar
    30th November 2019, 21:39
    LSmith replied to a thread UNC in Football
    Wonder how many more Pack verbal commits will jump ship after this ass kicking. Mack Brown is kicking our ass both on and off the field.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    30th November 2019, 20:51
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread UNC in Football
    Yeah, thought about that, with the award being a BBQ Pit on wheels. Perhaps call it the Battle of the Pit. Ken
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    30th November 2019, 20:50
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread UNC in Football
    Well, I may be the last one tuning in. I have been watching Wolfpack athletics for fifty years, but this is the worst collapse of a football team that I can remember watching. Up 10-6 starting the third quarter and the score is now 34-10 with 17 seconds left in that same quarter! Devin Leary threw two picks and has been pulled from the game, possibly due to injury after his last sack coincided with a hard sack. Regardless of the circumstances, it is hard for a team to score four TD's in a single quarter, but that's exactly what happened to turn this once hard fought game into a laugher. The first of turnover saw UNC march halfway down the field for a TD on just a few plays. It was like someone threw a switch and our defense stopped playing hard. And that sort of lackluster play just kept on until things got completely out of control. The season is over officially and Doeren has the duty of figuring this out and putting a better product on the field next season. Ken
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  • LSmith's Avatar
    30th November 2019, 20:37
    LSmith replied to a thread UNC in Football
    Ok for the diversion I vote the Bar B Q Bowl.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    30th November 2019, 20:36
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread UNC in Football
    Well, last one leaving, please be sure to turn out the lights! Ken
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    30th November 2019, 18:26
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread UNC in Football
    Been pondering this today, that this rivalry series needs a name. The big rivalry games all have names like the Iron Bowl, the Little Brown Jug game, Paul Bunyan game, etc ... My favorites come down to simple descriptions, such as "Good Clean Hate" for Georgia Tech versus Georgia. Another is the Civil War between Oregon and Oregon State. The ACC has a few series with names. Though it's fallen out of public note lately, the Clemson-NC State series has been known as the Textile Bowl for decades, given both universities have nationally renown textile schools. UNC and Duke play for the Victory Bell. Back in the old days, an obvious choice would be the Tobacco Bowl, with some artifact related to that industry. But, that's way out of favor now, as even the basketball nomenclature of Tobacco Road to describe the four NC based ACC schools is no longer used. State based concepts could revolve around the state tree (the Dogwood), bird (Cardinal), or perhaps something related to the ubiquitous Carolina Pine tree. Another option would relate to prime industries, with one being the Hog Bowl, but despite the numerous tangible artifacts that could revolve around that name, it doesn't appeal to me. Ken
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    28th November 2019, 20:06
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread #16 Memphis in Men's Basketball
    Agreed. I don't think we're as good a team this year as we were last year. Markell Johnson was, in my view, a given, a top talent point guard in the ACC. He will remain our best player this year and guide the team to whatever success they obtain. The wild card was Braxton Beverly and he is playing as he did last season. He's good, but he has not developed a great game. His decision making can still be detrimental, and many of the turnovers in the first half were a result of that decision making. If he had improved his game over last season, then I thought this team could match or even exceed last year's achievements (and they should have been selected to the NCAA Tournament). There is a lot of season left, and there are some younger players with lots of opportunity to develop, particularly Manny Bates. I think whatever can be done this year to improve the team, will come from players like him. Ken
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  • LSmith's Avatar
    28th November 2019, 19:20
    LSmith replied to a thread #16 Memphis in Men's Basketball
    Facing the #16 team with 2 starters out including their best player you got to take advantage of the opportunity. Opportunity lost. Really looked out classed athletically the 1rst half.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    28th November 2019, 17:05
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread #16 Memphis in Men's Basketball
    In the first half, our defense was truly ineffective and Memphis had their way. The second half was entirely different as we got the deficit down to as low as two points, but no lower. The final score was 83-78 Memphis. Ken
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  • LSmith's Avatar
    27th November 2019, 21:32
    LSmith replied to a thread UNC in Football
    Don't know how excited the fan base would be about going to a bowl with a 5-7 record (yea I get the extra practice time and benefits) but if we can somehow beat the holes Saturday I will have a much better taste in my mouth regarding this season for the next 9 months or so regardless of if we go to a bowl. Personally if we beat the holes I would like to end on that note.
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    27th November 2019, 08:29
    Derreck replied to a thread UNC in Football
    I woke up this morning and though, its still GTHC week!
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    27th November 2019, 08:28
    Derreck started a thread #16 Memphis in Men's Basketball
    The Pack head so Brooklyn to take on the Memphis Tigers. They are currently ranked #16 at the moment. This is obviously the Pack's biggest test of the season.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    26th November 2019, 06:08
    Yes, but where would Wake Forests be without the influence of the ACC? More importantly, if ECU had been in the ACC, where would they be now? Ken
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    26th November 2019, 06:07
    Well, the Bengals are still the Bungles, and remaining winless, they have benched Finley and are going back to Andy Dalton, after their three week "experiment!" https://www.foxnews.com/sports/winless-bengals-bench-rookie-finley-go-back-to-andy-dalton With their season already at 0-8 before benching Dalton, the Bengals had an opportunity to trade Dalton for a number of quality draft picks, but they declined to do that. So now, they are 0-11 and cruising to a winless season, and with a veteran quarterback who's likely to depart without much compensation to the Bengals. Ken
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  • LSmith's Avatar
    25th November 2019, 22:08
    I would say if the ACC were established today Wake would still be in ahead of App and ECU. Lets start with a look at App. I would 1rst say that Wake would have a stake at the State's best football team. Yes App is currently ranked above them but Wake beat App last season at their place and Wake, currently 8-3 has been ranked this season and has a much tougher schedule than App. I would say App at best might be 8-3 playing Wake's schedule. I would say a draw in football but when you get to the other sports App is nowhere close to Wake. Also Wake has better facilities not only in football (yes App's is pretty nice for the Sunbelt ) but much, much better in other sports. Wake historically has had a good basketball program (yes a big drop off since the Prosser days). App would never be competitive in the ACC in b-ball. App does however have the academic standards that the ACC usually puts a premium on with the exception of Louisville which leads me to ECU. ECU does have comparable facilities in most sports with the ACC. ECU does not have comparable academic standards. Most high school seniors get in meeting the minimum requirements. They would be competitive in most sports with the ACC with the exception of men's b-ball. Like App, ECU most seasons is equivalent to off-season cupcakes for other ACC teams. App is a long, long, way from power 5 caliber even though they can occasionally beat a P5 school in football. ECU is closer but would need to be much more like L-ville (National championships in b-ball, Nationally ranked a lot of seasons in other revenue sports like football and baseball which they have in baseball) if they ever want to get in the ACC under their current academic standards. Wake has proven they belong with their facilities, money, academic standards and their ability to compete and achieve in both revenue and non-revenue sports. The only negative I see with Wake is their attendance in football which is just like Duke and no-one will ever say that Duke does not belong.
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