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  • Derreck's Avatar
    17th October 2019, 04:48
    Word is he is back at practice and will only miss a couple of games as long as he continues to do as he has been the last several weeks.
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  • Matt Nicholson's Avatar
    14th October 2019, 11:30
    That is literally a Simpsons episode.
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    14th October 2019, 11:17
    Derreck started a thread @ BC in Football
    In yet another noon game, the Pack travels to BC this Saturday. With a Thursday night game last week, the guys have a few extra days for this one. We open up as a 1 point favorite.
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    14th October 2019, 05:39
    Derreck replied to a thread Syracuse (10/10) in Football
    Havent heard that. Now Dad Leary may have pissed off DD, but that is not the reason he is not playing. DD and staff will play who they think is the best QB (or player in any position) they fell gives them the best option to win. Yes Leary has the best arm talent of the group. However Leary was the most careless of the 3 QB's with the ball during camp. At one point he was trowing like 3 pics a day against the scout team defense. But he would also make the throw that no other QB on the roster could make. However DD and staff put a premium on taking care of the ball. Hockman pushed MM the most, but MM actually looked like the best QB in fall camp. He was hitting those open receivers and was pushing the ball down field and connecting on those passes. The staff was trying to be patient with MM in the games because the belief was that what they saw in practice would eventually translate into the game. It did not.
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    14th October 2019, 05:31
    This is pretty much dead on.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    12th October 2019, 12:11
    After reading that, I hope he comes back much wiser and more mature! Thanks for the information, Gene! Ken
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  • Mad Gene Vane's Avatar
    11th October 2019, 10:24
    From what I read on BackingThePack, he racked up a bunch of parking tickets, that he did not pay. Got four boots on his car, and then decided to drive out of the Reynolds parking garage, with the boots still on his car, causing a bit of damage to the parking garage. Basically, some immature shit that he needs to be sat down for. He'll be back sooner than later.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    10th October 2019, 23:13
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread Syracuse (10/10) in Football
    This was among the finest defensive efforts I have seen from an NC State football team ever. Syracuse has a high tempo offense that averaged 85 plays per game. And yet, the Pack's defense limited the Cuse to just 76. https://www.espn.com/college-football/recap?gameId=401112477 Add in eight sacks and it meant all the difference in the game. On offense, we mustered just enough to win. Hockman played well in my view because the passes he completed were mostly well defended and required him to put the ball on the money. The one interception was due to a tipped pass at the line of scrimmage. However, he was also lucky to avoid a pick in our own end zone that would have cost one of our field goals. It is very nice to have a high quality kicking game again, as both our punter and our kicker had excellent games tonight.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    10th October 2019, 22:11
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread Syracuse (10/10) in Football
    A father overtly interfering like that, yes, that will poison a situation every time. Might be a good time for Leary to decide what he wants his own future to look like. Sometimes, that requires a young man to remind his father who's life it is! Anyway, Hockman did a very good job in this game. And it took a good job to win. Without his arm being a deep threat, I don't think we would have won this game. Syracuse has a really good defense and it showed tonight. Ken
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  • LSmith's Avatar
    10th October 2019, 21:53
    LSmith replied to a thread Syracuse (10/10) in Football
    From what I have heard Leary's Dad may has pissed off Doeren and staff and has publicly stated that his son will not be with the Pack next season.
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  • Mad Gene Vane's Avatar
    10th October 2019, 21:34
    Mad Gene Vane replied to a thread Syracuse (10/10) in Football
    I don't know what Leary did to piss off Doeren. He has the best arm out of our three QB's, and the most upside. That's clear from the one series he played. I can understand giving McKay a shot. Clemson did this last year, with their veteran QB, before starting Lawrence last year. Leary should've been given a shot after the shit show in WVa
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    9th October 2019, 10:39
    Coach K may support this California statute, which specifies direct payments to student-athletes for merchandise sales that feature their names, images or likenesses. However, he constantly hedged his support by openly admitting that he "doesn't have all the answers." Frankly, he looked both weak and presumptive in his press conference. A person does not responsibly voice support for something that at the same time he admits he doesn't appreciate the full impact. There is a second reality that bears directly on K in all this. His school enjoys one of the richest endowments in American academia. Most other schools don't have the financial resources to pay players for such sales, and yet also desperately need those merchandise sales to make ends meet. Lost in most all of the media's focus on this story is the cost of a full ride scholarship, which most collegiate athletes play without. Not only do a few football and basketball players never benefit from a full scholarship, nearly all athletes in other sports can only hope to earn a partial scholarship. The cost of an academic degree has exploded over the last three decades, well beyond the annual cost of living, and now the price of that education is so inflated that without students going into tens of thousands of dollars of debt, they cannot earn a degree. Consequently, these athletic scholarships are not trivial compensations, but are instead quite valuable instruments. In my view, all of this reality bears considerably on the idea of paying collegiate athletes. Unlike Coach K, who's supposed to know the issue more than most people, many are willing to make the case right now. And that case is that most athletic departments are barely hanging on. The real ugly truth is that these often lavish college endowments are strictly removed from the reaches of the athletic departments, and frankly most of those vast dollars sit year after year as an idle cash pile, earning interest and dividends. Due to the highly organized effort of seeking donations from rich alumni, many universities have become vast reserves of huge idle cash. Some schools sit on more than a billion US dollars in mostly idle endowments! However, these schools require that the athletic departments self-fund their operations. This has created the booster organizations which provide the lion's share of revenues used to fund athletic scholarships. Any funds used to pay athletes additional monies would not likely come from these huge endowments (for the schools who have them) but instead come from the athletic department budgets, boosted by the various associations of private donors. Contrary to popular opinion, the vast majority of these boosters are not millionaires, but instead middle class people. And for them, this money is a significant donation.
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  • LSmith's Avatar
    7th October 2019, 12:25
    LSmith replied to a thread Syracuse (10/10) in Football
    Does anyone know the status of Ricky Persons? Noticed not on the depth char for this game. I know he was injured against FSU but have not heard the severity.
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  • LSmith's Avatar
    7th October 2019, 12:20
    LSmith replied to a thread Syracuse (10/10) in Football
    Hockman listed as the starter for this game. https://ncstate.rivals.com/news/nc-state-football-depth-chart-2
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    5th October 2019, 20:05
    To tell the truth, Matt, the player whom I think will be the bellwether for how this team performs this season is Braxton Beverly. He showed flashes of brilliance last year, and at times would dominate a game. But, his shot was spectacularly erratic and he was equally capable of virtually disappearing during a game. If he can gain a consistency in his shooting, then he is the difference maker due to his ability to drive and score, or drive and pass. The Pack has significant talent returning this year, including Markell Johnson, CJ Bryce, and Devon Daniels. In terms of big men, the Pack adds two transfers in Pat Andree and Danny Dixon. We also have Manny Bates, who is a 6-11 space eater in the paint. There's plenty to keep the faith about. Ken
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    5th October 2019, 12:00
    The Pack has their bye week this weekend, and so that leads nicely into their Thursday night national broadcast on ESPN. It's a home game versus Syracuse, and for NC State, this is one of those games that needs to be won to maintain a pathway to bowl eligibility. Both teams enter the contest with equal 3-2 records and both teams earned their wins over teams that are well below average in the RPI. Game on 10 Oct at 20:00 eastern, again broadcast nationally on ESPN. Go Pack! Ken
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    1st October 2019, 11:23
    He is not off the team, he will get about 4 or 5 games and be back.
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  • Matt Nicholson's Avatar
    1st October 2019, 06:45
    Funderburk suspended indefinitely. When does baseball start?
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    30th September 2019, 12:42
    A Challenge, but has been rewarding. We are at the point of our schedule where we are playing teams for a second time. In middle school volleyball you play best out of 3 and you play to 25. We played the best team in the league last week for the second time. The first time we lost in straight sets 25-12 and 25-14. Last week we lost 25-21, 22-25, and 15-12 (3rd set is only to 15). We we went from getting blown off of the court to giving the best team in the league all they could handle. Their coach said I am sure glad we dont play you again this year after the game. We have also picked up a few other victories along the way. I am not normally a morals victory guy, but with this team I am having to be. We are a first year middle school and the teams we play have had established middle school teams for years. So we are playing catch-up. We are setting goals and exceeding them. I am super proud of how they play.
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    30th September 2019, 06:52
    Derreck replied to a thread @FSU in Football
    The staff has always felt that Leary has the most "arm talent" but he throws a lot of picks during practice. The staff values taking care of the ball and thus why Leary was 3rd on the depth chart.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    29th September 2019, 09:50
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread @FSU in Football
    I'm inclined to agree with you. My only caveat is that we put Hockman in the game after the FSU defense knew we had to play catch up. On the other hand, there is not a great difference in game experience between any of the three. So, it should come down to who gives you the best chance to win the most games. Ken
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  • Matt Nicholson's Avatar
    29th September 2019, 04:36
    Matt Nicholson replied to a thread @FSU in Football
    "When you have 2 quarterbacks, you don't have one." -Lou Holtz So what does it mean when we play 3? When does basketball start?
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  • LSmith's Avatar
    28th September 2019, 22:34
    LSmith replied to a thread @FSU in Football
    I am telling you the future is now! Saw some decent things from Hockman tonight and he is certainly a better option than McKay but he does not have the poise, arm strength, or athletic ability of Leary. I have not been at the practices and I am sure McKay and Hockman know the O better but when you do not have a proven returning starter at QB you got to go with your best talent and have him learn on the fly. Game experience is the best way to learn. Even Mack Brown seems to get that. I feel we wasted 5 games that Leary could have got valuable experience.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    28th September 2019, 22:06
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread @FSU in Football
    The biggest handicap that Hockman has is that he's a lefty, and the spin and release of the ball is different. If the lefty is your starter and works in the pre-season, then the receivers can get used to it. But, as a sub in the game, it's a real hardship. Leary looks like the future, and our defense is really good. If the offense can get it together, we can win some games this year. Bluntly stated, I think the staff made the worst of three possible choices to start the season at the most critical position on the team, and it has already cost us two games. That's entirely on the coaching staff, and they get paid the big bucks to know first and foremost who their players are and what they are capable of doing on the field. Ken
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  • LSmith's Avatar
    28th September 2019, 21:48
    LSmith replied to a thread @FSU in Football
    Yeah only saw him throw 5 passes but the best 5 passes I saw all night. Leary is clearly our most talented QB. Was at the APP State vs UNC game last week and got a good look at Sam Howell who is a true freshman and I am sure does not know the offense as well as the veteran QBs at UNC but he is very talented and gives them a chance to win and they almost beat #1 Clemson today. I say put the kid in and take our lumps with the inexperience and mistakes he will surely make. Another positive note from a very negative game. Payton Wilson will knock the living snot out of you. We have a young but very physical LB core right now that I feel will be among the Nations best in the next year or so.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    28th September 2019, 21:21
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread @FSU in Football
    Did not see much of Dennis Leary, but I liked what little I saw. Should have ended up a touchdown, but in keeping with the theme of this game, the receiver coughs it up as he's about to cross the goal line! This will end up being a 31-13 shelling, and the game was very disappointing. FSU did not show they are a great team, and we still got hammered. So, that doesn't say much about us this year either! Bailey Hockman looked better than Matt McKay, and I suspect that perhaps we've been starting the third best of our quarterback options. Experience doesn't count if someone cannot get the job done! If Hockman didn't get beat up to the point of injury, then I expect he will start the next game. If he did, then I suspect Leary will get the ball. I'm sure McKay is a great person, but that's not the measure of the player, and this offense needs a better grade of play than what he has shown.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    28th September 2019, 21:08
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread @FSU in Football
    Someone spray some stick-em on Hines' hands! Good grief! Ken
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    28th September 2019, 20:32
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread @FSU in Football
    Our defense showed up for this game, but our offense was very ineffective, until finally the time of possession imbalance wore our defense down. Right now, the only thing left to do in this game is to try to fix our offense, so that going forward it can actually score touchdowns against ACC opponents. Ken
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    28th September 2019, 19:24
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread @FSU in Football
    This game's first half is missed opportunity after missed opportunity. Really an overall poorly played half by both offenses, though FSU managed to summon enough consistency to score two touchdowns, which the Pack never did match. I don't know how many, if any, reps that Hockman got with the starting offense in preparing for this game, but despite missing on a few throws, his game seems better suited to force a defense to play honest. And I just feel like we have a better chance to win with him starting. Ken
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    28th September 2019, 18:12
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread @FSU in Football
    Well, I guess the coaching staff reached the same conclusion, because Hockman came out on our fourth possession, which starts with excellent field possession due to another excellent defensive stop, combined with a very poor FSU punt. Ken
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    28th September 2019, 18:09
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread @FSU in Football
    I don't need another possession to form a conclusion about Matt McKay. He is not the answer, and I don't think he ever will be. He made zero pass attempts down field on our first two possessions, and it was three and out both times. Then, on the third possession, he made one 15 yard completion on a 50-50 jump ball to Emeka Emezie, who went up and pulled it in. Then, on the next play, McKay throws a rail route five yards out of bounds when our receiver is wide open by three yards. His next pass drops at the feet of the receiver on the screen in the flat, and then the third pass sees McKay once again overthrow his receiver by five yards, and as I feared, the FSU safety was in the vicinity to pick off the pass, but was unable to. It is time to pull McKay and put Bailey Hockman in the game and see what he can do. Ken
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    27th September 2019, 12:28
    You have a heck of a challenge ahead of you coach!
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    27th September 2019, 05:00
    Time for an update: We are in the middle of volleyball season. With the number of girls this year we had to expand middle school to have enough players to field a middle school team. Mckenzie is the only 8th grader, I have two 7th, graders, a 6th grader, and 5 5th graders. So I am starting (I am the middle school coach) 2 or 3 5th graders each game. Mckenzie is the only player who has ever played school ball and only two others have ever played volleyball at all. We have had an up and down year but are getting better. Mckenzie has been a great leader for the younger girls. Encouraging, positive, etc, as a team captain should be. Mckenzie also leads the team in service points, digs, aces, and hits. Mckenzie also plays with the JV team so she is doing double duty.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    24th September 2019, 17:10
    Yep, and thereís a dozen schools still waiting for their NOA. This is the biggest scandal in collegiate history. I think it will fundamentally change collegiate athletics. Ken
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    24th September 2019, 05:14
    And its not pretty... https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2019/09/23/kansas-notice-allegations-ncaa-basketball-bill-self/2424843001/
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    23rd September 2019, 09:52
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread @FSU in Football
    It's a matchup of two teams that need to prove themselves. At the start of the season, I thought this would be an early matchup of two teams considered dark horses to take the division. Now, each team needs to win to avoid going into a deep sleep. Ken
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    23rd September 2019, 05:46
    Derreck started a thread @FSU in Football
    Need to start the ACC season off on the right foot. Pack has opened as a 5.5 pt dog.
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  • Derreck's Avatar
    23rd September 2019, 05:45
    Derreck replied to a thread Ball State in Football
    Our Speed receiver went down week one with an ACL. Lesane is pretty fast but only a Freshman so I think his issue is more about route running and inexperience than pure speed. The biggest thing I think is that Matt has just missed on his deep ball too much on wide open receivers.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    22nd September 2019, 16:16
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread Ball State in Football
    Well, I donít see anyone on the roster who reminds me of Danny Peebles or Nasrallah Worthen! But, I donít yet know if weíre slower than the opposition. I do know that one of our wide receivers, Thayer Thomas, outran the Ball State cover team in that punt. Ken
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  • Mad Gene Vane's Avatar
    22nd September 2019, 10:57
    Mad Gene Vane replied to a thread Ball State in Football
    Is it my imagination or are we just really slow as a team? WVU seemed much faster than us on offense and defense. What I saw of the Ball State game, our WR'S had trouble getting open. I think we need to recruit our way of of this, but to do that we need to keep winning.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    21st September 2019, 21:23
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread Ball State in Football
    In the second half, defense and special teams carried this team to victory. A punt return for a touchdown and a blocked punt that was run back to the five are the two special teams plays, and the defense did the rest, with the most critical defensive play being the pick in the end zone to snuff out what might have been a late Cardinal rally. Frankly, at this point, my vote would be for Bailey Hockman to get the next start and let's see what he can do. Despite Matt McKay running for two Wolfpack touchdowns in this game, to beat quality opponents, the quarterback has to possess a potent throwing threat, and McKay just keeps missing open receivers, nearly every time by overthrowing them. Eventually, a safety is going to play deep and make an easy interception on those overthrows down the middle. I'm shocked it hasn't already happened. When McKay can throw on a line for ten to fifteen yards, then he's good. But, when he has to throw over the linebackers, he just lacks the touch to time the throw as well as the touch to get it to drop in vicinity of the open receiver, and the longer the attempt, the worse this limitation reveals itself. Throughout the third quarter and for most of the fourth quarter, Ball State had nearly all the time of possession and I was seeing the defense start to crack a bit due entirely to fatigue. The punt block changed the dynamic, but the offense still did not sustain a drive the rest of the game. The total yards in the second half late in the game was 134 for Ball State and just 27 for NC State! That has to be fixed, now! Without those special teams plays, I think we lose this game at home, and that would have set the dumpsters on fire! I give Doeren a lot of credit for frank honesty. Asked immediately after the game what he learned about his team, he led the reply off with, "We've got a lot of work to do!" Ken
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    20th September 2019, 20:01
    Right after quarterbacks, NC State is next best known for putting high quality wide receivers into the NFL. Putting together a top ten list of all time best NC State wide receivers is no easy effort. There are just a multitude of worthy candidates, and these players span decades of football experience. But, here's my take: 1. Torry Holt: If there is any question as to who is the best receiver in Wolfpack history, then just ask Torry Holt -- he'll tell you! He'll likely crack a wide smile when he says it, but he'd be correct to toot his own whistle, and he will! The stats and the impact all confirm this. Holt is number one all time in receiving yards (3,379), touchdowns (31), and barely stands in second place in receptions (200). He was voted ACC Player of the Year in 1998 and was also a consensus pick for All-American honors. It's hard to beat all that! His NFL career stands behind just Phillip Rivers in terms of impact. He was part of one of the best offenses ever when he started for the Saint Louis Rams' Super Bowl champion team in 1999. He was selected to seven Pro Bowls, and led the NFL in catches and receiving yards in 2003. He was voted to the NFL's 2000's All-Decade Team, and will likely be enshrined in the NFL Hall of Fame at some date in the future. 2. Jaylen Samuels: If there is much controversy with this pick, it is only because some people will consider Samuels to be a running back, and that's part of his strength as a player. He was the Swiss Army knife that Dave Doeren cashed in on time after time when the Pack needed a critical third down play. He lined up all over the backfield, but his official position was tight end, which absolutely qualifies him for this list. He was also sometimes listed as fullback, so take your pick! Regardless, the man's 201 receptions puts him number one in Wolfpack history. For three straight seasons, Samuels compiled at least 565 receiving yards and 189 rushing yards! His career tally of 47 total touchdowns is second only to the man nicknamed "Touchdown" Ted Brown! Like Brown, Samuels was one of the most dependable players in Wolfpack history, a man who seemed to always succeed when the situation was most dire. Most important of all, his all purpose career yards tally is 2,958, which ranks him third all time in that measure. 3. Jericho Cotchery: It certainly helps when your career coincided with the best quarterback ever (Phillip Rivers), but one can also say that without stud receivers then Rivers' career wouldn't have been the same either! Regardless, Cotchery amassed monster stats during his four seasons in Red and White, which includes 200 career receptions (second ever), 3,119 receiving yards (second ever), and 21 receiving touchdowns (second ever). If it was not for the all-around excellence of Jaylen Samuels, then Cotchery would be firmly in the number two slot all time. Cotchery's NFL career spanned 12 seasons, which is huge for a wide receiver. In that...
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    20th September 2019, 18:22
    Ken Stallings replied to a thread Ball State in Football
    Game time is 19:00 eastern, broadcast on ESPN-U. And yes, it is time for the team to rebound and correct the mistakes that allowed West Virginia to come back and win last week's game. Ken
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    20th September 2019, 16:55
    Kansas will be the second shoe to drop in the NCAA's investigation over coordination between coaches and agents to pay impermissible benefits to college basketball recruits and players. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/27662997/report-ncaa-set-notify-kansas-violations This isn't the other shoe, it's just the second. It will be an entire shoe store inventory dropping before it's over! Ken
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  • LSmith's Avatar
    19th September 2019, 11:12
    I always thought Kiffin resigned to coach in the NFL. His records in 3 years were 6-5, 4-7, and 6-5. Certainly a step down from the Bo Rein days but not "dreadful" and had a pretty good coaching staff with Pete Caroll as his DC. Now I will agree the Tom Reed era was dreadful.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    18th September 2019, 18:58
    Erik Kramer, Jamie Barnett, and Shane Montgomery all played in the late 1980ís to nineties. The real doldrums was before the arrival of Dick Sheridan. Monte Kiffin replaced Bo Rein, and after Willis Casey fired Kiffen, he hired Tom Reed. Kiffinís coached from 1980 to 1982, a record of 16-17 (8-10 ACC). Tom Reed coached from 1983 to 1985, a record of 9-24 (4-17 ACC). Those were the dreadful years, and thatís why folks like me considered Sheridan to be a miracle worker, or as Bisher wrote him, ďable to walk on water!Ē
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  • Matt Nicholson's Avatar
    18th September 2019, 03:24
    Terry Jordan >>Terry Harvey Harvey threw a school record 6 INTs to FSUs secondary. He only completed 5 to his own receivers that game. He had a hell of a fastball and threw a no hitter. But if he's one of our 10 best QBs, our legacy prior to 2000 must be absolutely dreadful.
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  • Ken Stallings's Avatar
    17th September 2019, 20:12
    His career echoed that of Lou Holtz, though running the veer option itís hard to say if he was more running back or quarterback. No doubt he guided the Pack during a four year period of success that frankly has not been duplicated. Ken
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