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    We played to avoid losing, and combined with multiple dropped uncontested passes, we achieved the humiliating home loss that we deserved.

    The team and coaching staff wears this one like an ugly anchor around their necks.

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    All I want is for one NC State team sport to be good. Not great. Just good enough to be ranked consistently and BEAT TEAMS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BEAT.

    Also, why can other teams march down the field on us in a 2 minute drill and we can barely get a first down in a similar situation

    We shoulda woulda been able to score at the end of the first half, if we could run a competent 2 minute drill

    Drink needs to burn his play book for 2 minute drills and copy someone elseís, like Wake Forestís

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    Your expectations are entirely reasonable, and this season was the year that should have happened in football. We had the team.

    There's really only one word to describe this tonight, and it's harsh, but I don't care any longer -- the rebuke is fairly earned.

    This team choked on a national stage, and the stain of it won't wear away this year, nor for soon thereafter.

    I will add this one powerful fact to your narrative, Gene, we have had multiple nationally elite teams over the last several seasons, and each year this site has fully documented those achievements. Now, it's your right not to care about these teams, but they do exist. Swimming and wrestling have been nationally elite programs for several years now. Others like track and cross country have been strong year after year. Rifle has been elite for the last decade plus.

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    I am resigned to the fact that we are a 6-8 win program. That's it. We simply cannot avoid the complete WTF losses every. single. YEAR! ECU 2 years ago. BC and Wake last year. Wake again this year.

    How many NFL players did we have last year?

    How many do we have this year?

    How is losing to a backup QB on a 4-5 team in his first ever college start, at home, even possible? The dude threw for 300 yards on us!!!

    I want Doeren to succeed here. But if another program comes calling and offers him SEC money again, I will wish him all the best.

    At an absolute MINIMUM, Hux and the secondary coach have to be fired. HAVE. TO. This is a loss that has to have consequences.

    Ryan Finley is the 5th NFL-level QB we've had in 18 years and we have NOTHING to show for it.

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    Nobody was ready to play this game. The O-line I have been bragging on all season got manhandled last night. In fact Wake dominated both sides of the LOS. We were only able to rush for 47 yards while giving up 138 on the ground. All the dropped passes combined with mental mistakes on both sides of the ball and our weak secondary that gets exposed every game and you get the results we got last night.

    I said after the Cuse game that there is no one on the schedule left we should not beat soundly. Play the next 3 games like we did last night and there is not a team left that cannot beat us. Louisville, UNC, and ECU are all terrible but have athletes that can make us pay if we come into the game with our heads up our as& like last night. There is not gonna be a lot of support if we limp into a bowl game at 6-6, 7-5, or even 8-4 with a loss to the holes or ECU. Finishing the regular season 9-3 is the minimal expectation for this team with the 3 teams we have left to play. I would feel different about an 8-4 team if we had 2 losses to Nationally ranked BC and UVA but no excuse to lose to Wake and certainly not Lville, holes, or the pirates.

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    Expectations are to be embraced, but they also have to come with an equal measure of accountability. The saddest part of last night was listening to the ESPN commentators keep saying how the team wasn't playing like they were taking Wake Forest seriously, and me watching the play on the field and being forced to agree.

    This season, as far as I am concerned, is a lost cause now. Like many people, for me, a seven or eight win season and getting a mid-level bowl matchup isn't what this team should have striven for. My appetite for future NC State football this season is simply an empty hole, carved out by a dull knife with jagged edges.

    Just a few years ago, Doeren was literally coaching for his job. Then, his team rebounded. A lot of forgiveness was shown his way. He turned down Tennessee (rightly) and now a wealthy Kansas booster has made a very public money play for him. Honestly, it wouldn't bother me either way. If he wants the money, then chase it with my compliments.

    The legacy of the 2018 NC State Wolfpack football team is already chiseled in stone: "Highly talented and experienced team -- couldn't handle the limelight and wilted under pressure!"

    And by team, that includes the coaching staff every bit as much as the players.

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    Giving who we loss to in the draft and graduation last season and knowing BC and Cuse would be better in the Atlantic and Wake was projected to have a good team I thought 9-3 or 8-4 would be a good season at the beginning of the year. Then we started out 5-0 and expectations went up. Clemson was disappointing as far as how we played. Cuse loss was disappointing as well but we loss to a good National ranked team. Last night to me was one of the worse losses if not the worse since Doeren has been here. Any loss going forward will be equally bad considering who we play. We are not as good as a lot of people thought before Clemson exposed who we really are. I have no problem with that as long as we are building and moving in the right direction. We are as far as recruiting. I just feel last night was a huge step back. We played horribly and we were out coached. Any loss going forward as far as the regular season will be a sign of something bad wrong with this team and the direction of the program because we are playing 3 very bad teams. Respond well and take care of business the next 3 games and we have something positive to build on. Regardless there is absolutely no excuse for what happened last night.

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    I was hesitant to click on this thread and I avoided the website all weekend knowing the reactions. Here is my thoughts on this:

    1. It was a bad loss, no two ways around it.

    2. Almost all schools have a WTF loss every single year save the few elite teams. We are not special in that regard. Kentucky just lost to a bad Tenn team for example.

    3. Getting to 8 to 9 wins per year is a step up for us. TOB coached 6 years, two seasons with 8 wins or better and that was with two NFL QB's. Chuck coached 7 years, we had two seasons with 8 wins or better. And that was with an all time great QB. Mike O'Cain had 1 season with 8 wins or better in 7 years. You have to go all the way back to Sheridan who had 3 years of 8 wins or better out of 7 years.

    4. The crap showing from the fans on Thursday night was bad. I was embarrassed as a fan. We LOVE to talk about how great a fan base we are, but we sure did not show it on a nationally televised game on a Thursday night. You think the way CF usually rocks in a game like this would not have had an effect on the players, for both teams?

    5. We lost a TON of talent to the NFL. We were projected as a 7-5 to 8-4 team this year at most as an optimistic season. We are still on pace for a 9-3 season. That would be the first back to back 9 win seasons since 1991-1992. And the 1991-1992 seasons were the only time that I can recall it has ever happened. We also have not had back to back final rankings since 1991-1992 seasons. We finish 9-3 we will be ranked in the final polls.

    6. DD and staff are recruiting at a level we have not seen since Chuck Amato. But DD and staff are going about it differently. They are building from the inside out. We have a TON of NFL caliber players we will be producing over the next few years. As talent improves, wins improve, and as wins improve, talent gets even better.
    "You have to understand, I grew up a NC State fan. Every State-Carolina basketball game, football game, I've been there. It's fun, and if you like to competing and I love competing... that will be extra special."

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    I will also like to add this, Cary and Emeka both dropped catchable balls in the endzone. Myers dropped one on the one yard line that he possibly could have turned and got the score. You make two of those 3 plays, we win this game. You make one of those 3, WF only ties us with that last score instead of winning. A lot of this is on the coaching staff, and I am not trying to absolve them of the blame, but it also falls on the players as well. We had a bad game, we need to learn from it and move on.
    "You have to understand, I grew up a NC State fan. Every State-Carolina basketball game, football game, I've been there. It's fun, and if you like to competing and I love competing... that will be extra special."

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