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    One more comment...

    Harmon and every other NFL prospect could get injured in the NFL Combine and go from first round pick to undrafted. Thatís the mercenarial world of professional athletics ó from millions of guaranteed dollars to nothing in the flash of a single second!

    In the collegiate world I would expect, and really demand, that the school retain for the student athlete the full five year value of his scholarship and all the team support that goes with it, even if he never suited up in practice or games again!

    Again, for the love of sport, not money! And while weíre on it, the love also of meaningful degree study to earn a lifelong benefit of a college degree to positively change oneís life!

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    I am of two minds. On one hand, the competitor in me just could not fathom not being out there with my teammates playing in a pretty good bowl game against a top 20 opponent. On the other hand, I understand it from the perspective of someone who lost his football career getting hurt when I was guaranteed the next level. Football is unique. While you can get hurt playing any sport, the odds are much higher in football.

    Harmon is all but a first round lock. While I would like him to play, I understand the decision. It worked out well for Chubb last year. We are deep at WR so one of the other guys need to set up and several guys have the ability.
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    Germaine Pratt will not play in the Gator Bowl, will focus on 2019 NFL draft.
    "You have to understand, I grew up a NC State fan. Every State-Carolina basketball game, football game, I've been there. It's fun, and if you like to competing and I love competing... that will be extra special."

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    Well, I'm afraid that I'm not of two minds any longer!

    This is a very bad trend and it has to stop. The money these bowl games make get split up to all the conference schools, and that money is how the entire sports departments are funded. In short, these bowl games positively effect the lives of thousands of fellow student-athletes, most of them not even on full scholarships. The more I think on this, the more I think the NCAA needs to get control of the situation.

    There are more aspects to this. At what point, meaning how many of your best players, does players opting out of suiting up impact attendance? There have been bowl games that lost enough money where they folded. Traveling and attending a bowl game represents about a thousand dollars per fan with a ticket. That's money out of hard-working peoples' pockets. I sure know I don't have an unlimited supply! What happens when virtually your entire roster of top players and seniors tell the school, "Thanks for the memories, but I'm opting out!" Do people still attend the game?

    Especially with Title IX, what male and female sports get axed because of the loss of the millions of dollars of potential revenue from the bowl game that's not around any longer? Wonder how those athletes, mostly walk-on's, would feel about the football players who walked away and caused this?

    This is what the media SJW's conveniently ignore when they use their bully pulpits to encourage and even celebrate players doing this -- walking away from their teams before the big game.

    Our society values are not the same as they were just a few years ago, and frankly, I don't think we're improving! In the military, this would be called desertion. And I fully appreciate the difference between a game and military service. But, the concept of loyalty and duty to others is precisely the same! The reason why sports arose is as a preparation for young people preparing themselves to meet the challenges of true manhood, and among those lessons were the concept of duty to others. We lose that, and I don't know how much longer this Constitutional Republic of ours can survive!

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    Unfortunately, this is a byproduct of the college football playoff, the NY6 bowls, and too many additional remaining bowls. Bottom line, bowl games dont mean as much as they used too. When you have 5 win teams going to bowls then there are just too many.

    In todays world, unless you are playing for a championship or in a headline NY6 bowl game, there is just no incentive for players to play the lower tier bowls that are projected high picks. I think about Notre Dame LB Jaylon Smith who lost approximately 7 million when he was hurt during the Fiesta bowl, based on where he was projected to be drafted to where he ended up being drafted. He was a sure fire top 10/15 pick and ended up going #34 overall.

    Harmon is getting first round grades so I get it. Pratt is looking at a first day pick, and the fact he is still not 100% healthy, he has to look out for him and his kids. Going from round 3 to round 5 could be more than 2 million if he gets hurt/re-injures himself. If I am going to a bowl game, I am going to support NC State, not a specific player, so that should not have a bearing on supporting the team. So someone wont go because Pratt is not playing? What about the others who have given all they have who dont have the opportunity to play at the next level. We are going to skirt our support for them because one or two players dont play? Its next man up and lets roll!

    Go Pack!
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    Frankly, I am excited about seeing some of the younger guys play. We have TALENT on this team and I am excited about watching them.
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    Serious question, Derreck, because todayís reality of it isnít too far off this hypothetical question, which I did not make clear enough earlier. All eight named on the All ACC Team refuse to suit up, as do six additional seniors. Thatís the hypothetical.

    You donít think that would seriously harm interest by a family of four from plunking down about $4,000 to go to the Gator Bowl?

    Sadly, this question has to be posed, seriously considered, and measured now. Last year one player Bradley Chubb did this. This year, so far, two have.

    What number of players doing this renders the bowl game without merit, meaning, or relevance?

    Next man up is for injuries, not voluntary choices to leave the team! Commitment must be a two-way street to remain valid.

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    What number of players doing this renders the bowl game without merit, meaning, or relevance?
    I think this is the point. Under the current 4 team playoff system most bowls below the playoff games and NY6 bowls have become more "without merit, meaning, or relevance". The argument for the expanded playoff, awarding bowls for each playoff game whether it would be 8 or 16 teams, would give more relevance to bowl games. Granted it would make the lower tier bowls not a part of the play off system less meaningful but I still feel the winners of the Sunbelt or CUSA will still be happy going to the Camelia or New Orleans Bowls.

    The one thing that keeps potential 1rst rounders in the 4 team playoff bowls, aside from playing for a National Championship, are the insurance policies that the NCAA allows the schools to pay for. Clemson payed for Deshaun Watson's. I don't know what the financials are there but I assume the Gator Bowl is not worth us forking out the insurance policies for Harmon and Pratt. I understand the commitment that you have to your team and institution that paid for your education but I also understand the potential of losing guaranteed millions in one game. I personally would play but I also understand the other side.

    Regardless the expanded playoffs whether we like it or not are coming. A 6 to 8 team deal is already in the works and we will see it in a couple of years. I am sure it will be expanded to 12-16 teams soon there after. I don't buy the arguments that more games equal more stress on academics or more risk of injury. As far as academics basketball teams play 2-3 games a week minimum for 4 months of the academic year and baseball more than that. Football games are only once a week. Injuries are isolated incidents that can happen at any practice or game. I come from a FCS (back when I played D1AA) background. The National Champions plays at least 16 games. High school teams that compete for state championships in North Carolina play a 11 game regular season and then a 5 round playoff. These are 14 to 18 year old kids playing 16 games. We can argue these points about academics and player safety but the expanded playoffs are coming anyway. This will solve the issue of "meaningless" bowl games.

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    Ken, I dont believe All-ACC has anything to do with it. You can be All-ACC and not be a top draft pick. Harmon is looking like a first round lock, so I understand. Pratt is unique where he has been injured pretty much all year and he has kids to think about. Basically the trend is to sit if you are a lock top pick int he NFL draft. If you are a lower round pick, you will likely play to try and improve your draft stock.

    For me, no number of players sitting would affect my support. For others, it apparently will, which I find disheartening. 2 players off of a roster of 85 are not playing, so what? What message as a fan base are we sending to the other 83 players if we dont show up and support them? That only the "stars" matter. Bowl games have always been about the future. Most coaches want them because of the additional practice time. That is not for the guys who wont be back, that is for the next years team. As you mentioned Chubb sat last year. He was by far our best player. Did that affect us? No, it did not. We still had 3 sacks in the game and blew out a solid ASU team. And with the 4 game rule and still red-shirt, we can see some true freshman.

    Riley, Provillon
    Meyers, Thomas
    Emezie, Carter

    This is the WR depth chart w/o Harmon, that is still better than most college teams.

    Brock Miller will be the starter in place of Pratt. Miller has played very well this year.
    "You have to understand, I grew up a NC State fan. Every State-Carolina basketball game, football game, I've been there. It's fun, and if you like to competing and I love competing... that will be extra special."

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