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    Pack will travel East as the #2 see in the Greenville regional. Pack will open play Friday at Noon against Campbell. The Pack split their two mid-week series games against Campbell this year.
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    East Carolina was ranked #8 in the RPI, so this does not seem to flow from the RPI rankings but rather is more regionally aligned. Once again, the NCAA ends up deviating from what they told people they would do, which was line up teams by their RPI rankings and seed accordingly. The NCAA either is terrible in communication, or is filled with people who are loose cannons on deck!

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    They have been seeding baseball regionally for a while. How we ended up in Greenville is still a mystery, though. Both ECU and State are pissed about this. We are a stronger 2 seed then ECU should have gotten and we should have gotten an easier 1 seed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derreck View Post
    They have been seeding baseball regionally for a while. How we ended up in Greenville is still a mystery, though. Both ECU and State are pissed about this. We are a stronger 2 seed then ECU should have gotten and we should have gotten an easier 1 seed.
    ESPN repeatedly said during the ACC Tournament that this year they were supposed to stack and slot teams by RPI vice regional alignment. Where ESPN got this from is anyone’s guess.

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    Game one was suspended with NC State trailing 5-4 heading to the bottom of the ninth, due to weather. The game between East Carolina and Qunnipiac was never started.

    The Pack's game will resume with no one out in the bottom of the ninth. This gives Campbell a huge advantage as they can gain an extra day of rest and bring in any pitcher who hasn't already toed the rubber in the previous innings.

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    The game ended on a wimper as the Pack went three up and three down to close out the first game of the Greenville Regional, losing to Campbell 5-4. It is going to be extremely difficult now for NC State to become a factor in this regional and one wonders why this pattern of rise and fall keeps happening to Elliott Avent's team. Two months back, this team was turning heads across the nation enroute to a national #1 ranking. That heady time disappeared a number of weeks ago. What we are left with is a top twenty team, of which Campbell is an even match. The truth is that with NC State and Campbell both in the Greenville Regional, #8 East Carolina has a mighty powerful argument to make against the NCAA.

    The NCAA has frankly got a lot of explaining to do. There seems to be a very significant regional bias at work in their selection process, one that ESPN focused upon. The truth is that the quality in depth in college baseball is concentrated into two regions, the southeast and California.

    ECU is ranked #5 in the RPI, and yet has RPI #16 NC State and #57 Campbell as their two and three seed opponents. That's not the most questionable seeding either!

    RPI #8 Georgia Tech has #15 Auburn and #62 Coastal Carolina as its two and three seed teams!

    So, how did this get "balanced out?" Well, the answer (or at least part of it) is really glaring.

    Oregon State is hosting a regional, despite having an RPI of #26! Worse, their regional opponents are two seed Creighton, with an RPI of #25, while three seed Michigan is #42! The four seed is a Cincinnati team ranked #86 in the RPI! Compare that field to how national #1 Vanderbilt was treated. Obviously hosting their own regional #1 Vandy's number two seed opponent is #21 Indiana State. Their third seed opponent is #85 McNeese State. Now, other than trying to minimize travel time, how can anyone justify the #1 national seed having a #21 RPI opponent in its regional when a #26 RPI team is hosting its regional with its top ranked opponent in that regional being ranked #25!

    This is why the concept of divorcing region from the seeding of the regionals was a topic of discussion, very similar to how the NCAA openly discussed using different selection measures for the 2019 NCAA Men's basketball tournament field. The impetus for this is again the talent skew. To find a year where either the national champion or runner up was not either in California or the southeast, one has to go back to 1989, when Wichita State beat Texas to take the title! To find a match up of teams from the northeast, or the Ohio valley area, one has to go back to -- well never! Hasn't happened once! To find even a single team from the northeast or Ohio valley in the title game, one must go back to 1976 when Arizona beat Eastern Michigan! There were a relative few such teams prior to this from the first CWS in 1947.


    Take a look at the intense regional bias in talent by looking at this breakout of national champs and runners up:

    https://www.ncaa.com/news/baseball/a...e-world-series

    The thing is, one wonders how many teams in the southeast and Pacific coast, who were good enough to make a Super Regional or CWS, who were bounced in regional play due to the stubborn insistence of the NCAA biasing selections by region to minimize travel expenses? Looking at the history of the CWS championship game, it sure didn't improve the odds of teams outside the Pacific coast and southeast winning the title!

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    Blown. Out. By ECU. This team started 27-1.

    This was an inexcusable end to a very promising start. And it's just the latest chapter of on ongoing theme.

    It may be time for a change?

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    East Carolina should have been a national seed. Their RPI went up to #5 prior to this game. The only thing that surprised me is that ECU lost to Quinnipiac to become our elimination game opponent. The other surprise is that Campbell has remained in the winner's bracket, having beaten us, and Quinnipiac.

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    Well, let's review the status of the Regionals.

    Florida State beat host Georgia to advance to a Super Regional!

    Auburn beat Georgia Tech to advance to a Super Regional -- remember what I said about regional biases making it far more difficult for southeastern teams to advance due to stacked competition?

    Louisiana State advanced out of its regional to a Super Regional.

    UNC did the same.

    Oregon State (whom by RPI should never have hosted a regional to begin with) lost their first two games to shockingly get bounced first from their bracket! Creighton and Michigan will play to decide who advances.

    Arkansas advanced from their own regional.

    East Carolina beat Campbell to force a deciding game at 19:00 tonight to see who advances from the Greenville Regional.

    UCLA survived to force a deciding game in its regional with Loyola Marymount.

    Louisville came back from dropping it second game to win three games in a row to advance out of its regional.

    Texas Tech advanced out of its own regional.

    Duke as the three seed in the Morgantown Regional steamrolled its way by going undefeated to advance, polishing off Texas A&M twice, plus host West Virginia. That's the surprise of the regionals is how well Duke did.

    Venderbilt advanced out of its own regional, going undefeated as the national #1 seed, despite having some questionably tough opponents (as I previously wrote about).

    Oklahoma State lost its first championship game to UConn, and therefore goes on to a final matchup to determine who advances out of the Oklahoma City Regional.

    Mississippi advanced out of its own regional, going undefeated in the process.

    Stanford lost its first chance to advance out of its own regional by losing to Fresno State and has a second chance tonight at 22:00.

    Mississippi State advanced out of its own regional by going undefeated. They beat Miami to advance.

    The ACC ended up doing very well in overall number of selections to the NCAA Regionals, with these schools selected:

    Louisville
    Georgia Tech
    NC State
    UNC
    Duke
    Clemson
    Miami
    Florida State

    Of those teams, four advanced to Super Regionals:
    Louisville
    UNC
    Duke
    Florida State

    It wasn't a good end for NC State, but for the ACC, it was a very good showing.

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    East Carolina beat Campbell back-to-back to earn their fifth appearance in a Super Regional!

    https://www.wralsportsfan.com/ecu-be...game/18429750/

    Congrats to the Pirates! If there was any justice, then East Carolina should host that Super Regional. The NCAA ranked ECU as tenth in its national seeding even though the Pirates improved from eighth in the RPI to fifth before Regional play began!

    Georgia. Oregon State, West Virginia, and Georgia Tech all lost their regionals, and so by rankings, East Carolina is among the eight highest seeded team to advance. However, I believe the NCAA sticks with the brackets now and that means that ECU travels to Louisville

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