Three turnovers destroy an otherwise good performance as the Pack drops their fourth game in a row, losing 34-20 at home to Louisville to drop to 4-6.
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    In yet another noon game, the Pack travels to BC this Saturday. With a Thursday night game last week, the guys have a few extra days for this one. We open up as a 1 point favorite.
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    This will be a bellwether game because it is BC on the road. BC may not have the record, but they remain a good team and we've historically had difficulty beating them at their place. If the Wolfpack can win this game, then they set themselves up for a nice season. Frankly, despite the oddsmaker book, this was not a game I marked as a win. It is, however, a grand opportunity for a young team to gain confidence and start to believe then can achieve something nice this year.

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    I'd advise everyone to start walking your dog now, but at least where I'm living, it's raining! Regardless, this is what happens when one team win both lines of scrimmage, and now BC can have fun feeding their power run game and feast on a tired defense. 24-3 with 2:51 left in the first half isn't a formula for success.

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    429 to 56 yards rushing and 54 of our yards came in the 4th quarter. BC earned thw right today to call us a bunch of Ps! Thats just lack of toughness! I realize were young but what we saw today should not be happening in year 7 of your coaching tenure. 2 yards rushing in 3 quarters?? Embarrassing!!

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    There's going to be a temptation to point to the quarterback situation, given Leary ran the team better than anyone else. But, this game was really a clear case of BC's offensive and defensive lines manning up and our lines got manhandled.

    When you cannot score on eight plays from first and goal inside the five, then that's just a case of your line failing, and when the other team takes that ball and marches down the field and crams 200+ yards down your throat in the second quarter, then that's the other half of getting out manned. One team had men lining up on both sides of the ball. The other team? Not so much!

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    If I wanted to be a fan of a college team that's going to win and probably blow out their opponents every week, I wouldn't have gone to North Carolina State University.

    Our defensive line had been playing well. Our coaches should have known BC would run the ball all day and no try to rely on a back-up QB to beat us.

    Anyway, Leary's the best passer we have. I do not know how McKay out shined him in the Spring game and in training camp.

    Really makes me question the judgement of the coaching staff.

    Anyway, I still hope we have enough in us to win six games and go to a bowl game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Gene Vane View Post
    If I wanted to be a fan of a college team that's going to win and probably blow out their opponents every week, I wouldn't have gone to North Carolina State University.
    LOL!!!

    That might be worth making your official signature line!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Gene Vane View Post
    If I wanted to be a fan of a college team that's going to win and probably blow out their opponents every week, I wouldn't have gone to North Carolina State University.

    Our defensive line had been playing well. Our coaches should have known BC would run the ball all day and no try to rely on a back-up QB to beat us.

    Anyway, Leary's the best passer we have. I do not know how McKay out shined him in the Spring game and in training camp.

    Really makes me question the judgement of the coaching staff.

    Anyway, I still hope we have enough in us to win six games and go to a bowl game.
    Some guys are what is referred to as a "practice hero." Meaning they look like all Americans during practice but it never translates into a game. That was Matt McKay, IMO. I did have the pleasure of watching a few practices during spring and fall camps. McKay was clearly the best QB and Leary was not in the discussion as the best QB. Yes, Leary has the best arm talent on the team, and that was clear even during the spring and fall camp as he could make throws the other two could not, but he could not read a defense and threw a LOT of INT's during the spring and fall camp. If you had seen how MM performed during fall and spring camp you would understand why the staff was a patient with MM as they were. They were hoping for that light to go off and translate into the game. It never did, obviously. Also, to give Leary credit. The staff was clear with him on why he was not #1 or #2 and instead of pouting he put in the work to get better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LSmith View Post
    429 to 56 yards rushing and 54 of our yards came in the 4th quarter. BC earned thw right today to call us a bunch of Ps! Thats just lack of toughness! I realize were young but what we saw today should not be happening in year 7 of your coaching tenure. 2 yards rushing in 3 quarters?? Embarrassing!!
    I keep reading this year 7 thing and I dont get it. Why should there not be a step back just because we are in year 7? Over the last few years we have lost a ton to the NFL draft as well as some players not cutting it and no longer being on the team. We are low on Sr's and RS-Sr's because of this. Thus why we are such a young team.

    Every coach at every program has a year or two where they step back with few exceptions.

    Bobby Bodwen went 6-5 in year 6 after going 8-3, 11-1, and 10-2 the previous 3 seasons.
    Frank Beamer 7-5 in year 11 after going 10-2 the previous two years
    Joe Paterno went 6-5 in 1984 two years after winning the National Championship and then went 5-6 in 1988, again, two years after winning the Natty.

    And these are HOF coaches. Should we hold DD to a different standard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derreck View Post
    I keep reading this year 7 thing and I dont get it. Why should there not be a step back just because we are in year 7? Over the last few years we have lost a ton to the NFL draft as well as some players not cutting it and no longer being on the team. We are low on Sr's and RS-Sr's because of this. Thus why we are such a young team.

    Every coach at every program has a year or two where they step back with few exceptions.

    Bobby Bodwen went 6-5 in year 6 after going 8-3, 11-1, and 10-2 the previous 3 seasons.
    Frank Beamer 7-5 in year 11 after going 10-2 the previous two years
    Joe Paterno went 6-5 in 1984 two years after winning the National Championship and then went 5-6 in 1988, again, two years after winning the Natty.

    And these are HOF coaches. Should we hold DD to a different standard?

    I for one am ok and expected a set back season this year with the QB situation and all the talent we lost last season and I am not holding DD to a different standard. I am ok with losing to a mediocre BC team at their place. What I am not ok with is the complete lack of toughness and effort displayed Saturday. BC has not rushed anywhere close to 400 yards on anyone so far this season and they will not the rest of the season but they did it to us! It is not like when GT rushed for 400-500 yards on us with their veer a few years ago, BC just lined up and pounded it down our throats and we let them. Our coaching staff knew they were going to be one dimensional. And then their so far this season porous defense was able to completely shut down our running game by manhandling our O-line. Yes Bowden, Beamer, and Paterno had down years like most good coaches do but I have never seen any of their teams get physically dominated like we did Saturday and especially by a team with the talent level of BC.

    I mentioned year 7 because good coaches like the ones you mentioned builds a culture of toughness so games like Saturday do not happen. Yes I would expect us to lose by 40-50 against Alabama and maybe even Clemson because right now they out class us athletically and have a lot more experience but nobody should be able to line up against us with a run only game plan and be able to mash us like BC did. We may be young but we have better talent than that and especially against a team like BC! I can point to at least one or two games every season under DD where lack of toughness cost us. A couple that come to mind was the loss in Greenville to a bad 3 win ECU team during Montgomery's first season where we not only did not display toughness but were clearly out conditioned and the loss at home last season to a Wake team going nowhere. I don't see how anyone who knows football and loves NC State is not completely embarrassed and ashamed of the way we played Saturday. We were not out classed athletically. Yea our QB situation was shaky but Tom Brady could not have been prolific Saturday with the effort our Oline gave. We simply allowed a mediocre team impose their will on us without fighting back. That is just lack of toughness.

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